Ämnet har dock diskuterats på "Norsefolk" (en amerikansk Yahoo-lista för, främst, nordisk järnålder och medeltid), Jag bifogar det som skrevs där:
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Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:33 pm
Subject: Hedeby Sleeve
Hiya,
has anybody ever tried making a Hedeby sleeve, and if so, can they give me any
advice before I begin?
Thanks!
Shelagh
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From: Carolyn Priest-Dorman
Date: Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Norsefolk_2] Hedeby Sleeve
Shelagh wrote:
>has anybody ever tried making a Hedeby sleeve, and if so, can they give me
>any advice before I begin?
Yes: don't make it to scale. ;> It won't fit an adult if you do, although
it might fit a small child. Or (somewhat less likely, if you ask me) the
thing it might have been a false sleeve, as I think Hagg suggested.
Personally, assuming the sleeve was functional rather than decorative, I
think it's likely that the smaller piece was some sort of a patch over a
worn spot and not original to the construction. But I haven't really
reconsidered that sleeve pattern in the last decade, so beyond that I can't
say much.
Let us know how your experiments go!
Carolyn Priest-Dorman Þóra Sharptooth
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From: "Cornelia"
Date: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:11 am
Subject: Re: Hedeby Sleeve
> Yes: don't make it to scale. ;> It won't fit an adult if you do,
>although it might fit a small child. Or (somewhat less likely,
>if you ask me) the thing it might have been a false sleeve, as
>I think Hagg suggested.
>
> Personally, assuming the sleeve was functional rather than
>decorative, I think it's likely that the smaller piece was
>some sort of a patch over a worn spot and not original to the
>construction.
Actually, you have to take into consideration that the sleeve was
dipped in hot tar and therefore parts of it have shrunk. (I hope we
are talking about the same sleeve here, as far as I know it
should be....) The sleeve is thought to have been folded in half
(i.e. upper arm part to wrist part ), the "loop" attached to a stick (it
may have actually been found still attached, not sure on this one)
and then dipped in hot tar to caulk ships with it. The shrinkage
was not the same on both parts of the sleeve, it appears to have
been more in the upper part than in the lower and by
extrapolation you arrive at a perfectly normal sleeve, possibly for
a man, since it's rather long. From the top of my head I think
about 56cm, but I don't have the book in front of me.
Haegg "muses" a bit about decorative sleeves in her later
discussion about the sleeve, but dismisses it as a feature of the
later middle ages rather than feasable for this particular sleeve.
The historiska website has a pattern, but that doesn't
correspond exactly to the find (it's with the "tunika" pattern).
Haegg discusses three different parts of the sleeve pattern, one
is the roughly T-shaped main part of the sleeve, which already
follows the slight S-curve to set into the armscye (upper arm front
and back, lower arm front), another a fairly straight narrow part
which basically makes up the back of the lower sleeve and a very
small slightly triangular piece of the same colour and material
as the main piece. It may or may not have been a case of "ran
out of fabric there, so just cut another piece and sew it on" or a
deliberately patterned piece like the later triangular gussets in
some Herjolfsnes sleeves. The position is however different
from those gussets, so it's only a guess.
There is no indication that the narrow piece which is of a different
colour was a patch rather than a part of the pattern. There is only
one seamline that connects this piece to the others and another
possible piece of a sleeve (only the wrist (?) part) also shows
two different coloured pieces whose positioning corresponds
very closely to this sleeve.
Hope this helps,
Cornelia
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From: "Shelagh Lewins"
Date: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [Norsefolk_2] Re: Hedeby Sleeve
Wow, thanks. I'm trying to visualise everything you've said: sounds like what I
need to do is to make with the cheapo cloth and design a sleeve from scratch
which has the same structure/shape as the picture in the book, but alter the
proportions until it fits me.
Shelagh <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Efter det har den inte diskuterats där mer - vad jag vet...
/N BStatistik: Postat av Ny Björn — 23 november 2004, 13:35
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